#Signal took a huge bet that running on US big-tech toxic infrastructure is fine because its groundbreaking and industry-shaping cryptography is crafted to neutralize it and keep users safe.

But is it really feasible to live on toxic infrastructure in the longer run?

#deltachat rather takes a bet on the massive e-mail server network and interoperable protocols, and on #chatmail servers which enforce message encryption and metadata-minimization.

Delta is for when centralization turns sour.

@delta
Can you explain how countries like Russia block various platforms like Signal? Is it similarly possible to block Delta Chat?

@delta It's impossible to protect user metadata the way Signal does when you're constrained to SMTP as your protocol, though.

@mattcen We beg to disagree a little :) The e-mail system is a very wondrous beast and we are untapping interesting new possibilities with our #chatmail efforts. As to sealed sender/receivers that's entirely possible. However, we prefer to make further arguments in released code when the time comes and stars align ;)

@delta
Salut,
J'ai essayé une fois.
Ça se cantonne aux gmail,outlook etc...!
Etant sur tutamail impossible d'utiliser delta chat.
@lienrag

Ah ouais @delta tire dans les pattes de #Signal maintenant ? Le plus important étant de sortir de Meta, essayer de décrédibiliser d'autres alternatives ne serait-il pas contre-productif ?

@delta @mattcen Then I shall await your code/specification with interest!

@remidu Well, we do think it's important to talk about infrastructure no matter how good the software or cryptography on top of it is. We fully acknowledge Signal's excellent cryptography and usable security work that has inspired so many projects, including us. But infrastructure also matters and we think it's fair to highlight that. We are a fediverse-only project for a reason, after all ;)

@delta You're quite right. But I have just moved from WhatsApp to Signal. And this you bet wasn't easy at all because everyone depends upon this damned meta infrastructure. I will try to take the next step, but it will make me lonely here, I'm sure of that ...

@Thomas1108 we hear you. Changing messengers is serious work. There is no need to rush if you just moved to signal. It's a fine choice. For the time being, it would be suicidal for the US corporate operators of signal's infrastructure to use their power to compromise it. They could loose tens of billions of revenue with customers outside the US if they did. Maybe just consider #deltachat your insurance and a thing to eye mid/long term. Email will not go away anytime soon :)